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A: Guile, Akuma, Dictator, Chun-Li, Cammy, Abel, Rufus, Boxer, E. Honda
B: Ryu, Dhalsim, Viper, Rose, Seth, Sagat, Zangief, Ibuki, Juri, Dudley, Blanka, Adon, Fei-Long
C: El Fuerte, Ken, Guy, DeeJay, Claw, T. Hawk, Cody
D: Gouken, Gen, Hakan, Makoto, Dan, Sakura
SUPER STREET FIGHTER 4 - AUGUST 2010 TIER LIST
Here is our new Super Street Fighter 4 Tier List for August 2010. We revised how we compile and present the data compared to the May 2010 tier list, with a color coded chart so players can easily see where the good and bad match ups lie within the game. Match ups in green are in favor of that character and match ups in red are not in their favor -- match ups in white are even. Beyond that, we implemented a formula to automatically check the data so there are no errors with the numbers between characters.
We are also planning a series of articles that will go more in depth for many of the match ups in the game to give players an idea why they are in favor of certain characters. Keep an eye out for those in the near future.
You can view and compare the May 2010 Tier List to our current one by clicking here.
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Reader Comments (69)
How come Honda is now so high? He doesn't seem much different from SF4.
My thoughts as a Boxer player
Boxer - Akuma is at least 4.5-5.5, if akuma plays it right, he shuts down Balrog's options
Boxer - Sagat is 5-5, Sagat's nerfs and Boxer s.LP are enough to make this 5-5.
@Kira
I didn't make the list (I'm not good enough to give any kind of solid opinion) but I think some of it has to do with his damage. Almost everybody's damage got nerfed in Super yet he still does a lot of damage. Some of his moves got improved slightly as well (headbutt).
So i got bored and decided to see how the chars fair against the top 12 to see if it was any correlation to how the tier list actually was... because having a 7-3 match up vs hakan is never actually going to take place as no one plays him (which im sure i will get flamed for saying) so i thought this was kind of a void score. Here is the numbers and my tier list of all the chars vs the top12 of the iplaywinner list.
Guile:60
Akuma:56.5
Dic:57
Chun:56
Cammy:57
Abel:55
Rufus:55.5
Boxer:55
E.Honda:53
Ryu:55
Dhal:48
Vip:53
Rose:58.5
Seth:55
Sag:57.5
Zang:58
Ibuki:55
Juri:55
Dud:55.5
Blanka:54
Adon:61
Fei-long:59
Elf:56
Ken:57
Guy:57
DJ:56
Claw:53.5
Thawk:53
Cody:51
Gou:52
Gen:48
Hak:46
Mak:48
Dan:48
Sak:48
A: Adon, Guile, Fei-Long, Rose, Zangief, Sagat
B: Dictator, Cammy, Ken, Guy, Akuma, Chun, Elf, Rufus, Dudley, Abel, Boxer, Ryu, Seth, Ibuki, Juri
C: Blanka, Claw, E. Honda, T.hawk, Viper, Gouken, Cody
Ass Teir: Dhalsim, Gen, Makoto, Dan, Sakura, Hakan
Hurk... red+black... my optical kryptonite... visual acuity... fading...
The contents of all those red boxes will forever remain a mystery to me and my color blind brethren.
Neat list though.
I think Cody should be much higher, but maybe I'm wrong.
Love or hate tier lists, the formatting on this is fantastic.
Kind of curious why Akuma vs. Gief is worse than Sagat or Seth vs. Gief. Anyone have any input?
I'd like to know how Guy has advantage over Guile. That is a match up I have tons of experience with and I'm pretty sure it is in Guile's favor. Also this tier list is way too generous in the match ups in general. There are not a lot of 7-3s when in fact in this game there are tons. Guy vs. Honda might as well be a 8-2 and you have it as 6-4. I dunno I respect you guys for putting out a list but you need to do more research I think.
Calling matchups as 7-3 is severe, calling it 8-2 shows some next level broken shit, and Super isn't broken.
As someone who alternates between Dudley and Sakura, I can say that a lot of Dudley's 5-5s should be 4-6s and lot of Sakura's 4-6s should be 5-5s. Also, Guy vs. Guile is 4-6? The only match I've seen of that is Combofiend vs. ShadyK and it was obvious who had way more experience with the character and the matchup.
But with Dudley, just take his matchup against Bison. It says 5-5. I don't see any Dudley advantage besides being able to punish a devil's reverse. Bison, on the other hand, has ridiculous pokes that work so well and a moveset that lends itself well to a great runaway game once he has a lead. This tier list is even more ridiculous than the last one. Its saving grace is the color scheme.
Regardless of the where the characters fall into the tiers, using "X.5" needs to stop. Also stop being afraid to rate match-ups 7-3 or 8-2. People are buying into the rhetoric that SSF4 is magically balanced.
Call an 8-2 match an 8-2. Don't squish 6-4 match ups into "5.5" so you can call 8-2 match a 7-3.
What the hell is 5.5 anyway?
I'am no pro but its alot of 4-6 Abel matches and I don't think there accurate. Against Bison walk him down. against cammy meet her half-way Akuma make him come to you Rufus u fight rufus cuz if Abel get cornered it a wrap and Zangief my better matches U2 stops all zangiefs moves...
Did they take into account characters U2 for the 10 matches or was it whatever ultra was better?
"I lose X matchup alot so it should be an 8-2."
Uhhh Balrog vs Blanka is 7 - 3, for serious?? Don't see how that matchup is as bad as Blanka vs T. Hawk, where Blanka can play like a retard and still win. Balrog can't really play like that against Blanka.
Sakura lower than Dan? Are you guys high?
Balrog v Hakan 7-3 is the biggest mistake I can see in this. That match is not 7-3 unless you know something crazy balrog can do against hakan. Most Hakan players see that match as either even or slightly hakan favor. Of course a Balrog player made this list so maybe there is something Im missing out on. I just don't see what balrog can do to make the match 7-3.
@Guruprimo
Akuma's teleport isnt as fast as Seth's. Seth can extend his arms and prevent lariat with his suction move so gief doesnt even have a decent way of building meter against Seth.
@Zero
A lot of the Guy's playing out there are scrubs. He has lv2 power armor on his EX running move so sonic boom, wich is Guile main offence, is disabled. Guy footsies are better (becuz of his slides) and flash kick can be lured out with elbow drop. That enough 4 ya?
@Dijon
Allthough Sakura has better fireballs and better combo's they are both close range chars. Dan has a srk (wich he can cancel into Ultra2) making his defensive and in some cases offensive game better (-for instance-he can option select srk against dictator a downed dictator). Maybe thats why. I dont completely agree but those are the facts.
Decent list, good work editors. I think Sakura will move up substantially because of the work that Uryo has put into her. He's making her look crazy dangerous.
Tier lists do more harm than good--they always have. Far too many people end up not using a character based on these lists and it's a shame when so many of the characters are so much fun to use.
This is the most beautiful tier list ever (just change green to blue for the color-blind peeps).
"A lot of the Guy's playing out there are scrubs. He has lv2 power armor on his EX running move so sonic boom, wich is Guile main offence, is disabled. Guy footsies are better (becuz of his slides) and flash kick can be lured out with elbow drop. That enough 4 ya?"
To add to this: Guy player has to be on point. You cannot EX run-slide is sonic booms full screen (recovery is too fast), and you cannot do any bushin flips on top of him while guile is zoning you, cause you will eat crouching fp all day. Guy does have good pokes, and can put guile in the corner easy. Just do hozanto ending block strings to push him there and that's when the fun starts. He has no easy way to get out of the corner, so mix it up. Guile cannot zone out Guy easily. Hell, nobody can.
Sakura at the bottom? No way.
@Darks@mus: Sakura's Hadouken is not better than Dan's. Sure, it travels further, but the recovery and startup are horrible. I'm pretty sure Sakura has the worst projectile in the game.
That said, I don't think Sakura is the worst character in the game.
Wow, Juri beats Rufus, 6-4? Seems like i need to be able to get my Juri leveled up more. I usually can't beat a good Rufus.
All gief data came from VANGIEF ........
Not a single 8-2 or 9-1 match? This chart is pathetic. Are people that afraid to create an honest tier about SSFIV that might show that it is not balanced? Who actually thinks that this chart accurately reflects the balance in SSFIV?
Very solid list. Seth seems a little high and Blanka a little low, besides that it's dead on.
Who the hell plays a good Sakura nowadays anyway... as a MAIN... in SUPER
Perhaps she's so low because noone is showing what she is capable of and its pretty easy to destroy a Sakura scrub.
BTW this is an awesome list. Nice layout too (change some colors to help out those color blind folk tho). Keep it up, IPW!!
@DaBallinHammah: Look up Skatan on youtube.
Hhmmm.. Pretty good tier list :l I dont main Guile, but i think hes not as good.. As everyone says he is. I still dominate them online :l Maybe im not playing good ones? But i do have a brother that mains him since Vanilla.. So i know the match up pretty well and i dont even really have to think about the footsies that much. Its all second nature now. One mistake and i start tossing them around and crossing them up. Anything other than a lp. boom.. He eats an U2. (I main Bison) Ive had people tell me that he can win a fireball fight with sagat and ryu? Ive never seen that happen and i think people are giving guiles too much credit now. Since daigo used him IMO. =]
Another thing im kinda wondering about is the .5 stuff.. Come on.. .5? Just make them soild numbers...
About the .5s.
It only happens it seems on 5.5.
So perhaps think of it this way:
5.5 = very slight advantage
6 = advantage
7 = great advantage
Guy/Guile is 6/4 for the same reason Fuerte/Guile is 6/4.
I'm guessing the .5's come from split decisions. People also need to STFU about the 'lack' of 7/3 matchups or worse. An 8/2 matchup is extremely severe and a 9/1 matchup means the game is super fucking broken. SSFIV is not broken.
@ Turnover
7-3 and up begins to describe unwinnable fights, and no matter how mad some Rog player makes you online, SSF4 really doesn't have any of those. These lists have to be taken with a grain of salt, because it only takes one good player to turn them on their heads; good examples would be Gamerbee's Adon at Evo this year, or Mike Z's Tager in BB.
yankee tier list = no worth
love how fast tier lists bring out the comments lol
@DaBallinHammah That's right she is that low because no one on the top plays her.
Anyway I main Sakura and believe me she is not that bad i can do serious damage with her.
Go to sakura forum in SRK and play Skatan Milla he plays really good with Sakura.
nnickers: no... 2-8 and above doesn't mean unwinnable... its means you'll win 2 out of 10 times. 0-10 is unwinnable. lets just be completely honest...
skill levels and gimmicks are obviously going to skew what you see in real life, but on a solid objective look on this game, there should be alot more 7-3's and some 8-2's. honda/chun is a fucking grinder for honda, and there's no way that is a 6-4 when chun just has to use rh to eliminate 80% of honda's game and once she gets super or ultra, there goes another 15%...
there's a bunch of nitpicky things i could go into, but i understand tier lists are heavy on opinion... and i think people are too much into this "sf4 is so balanced" mantra that they don't WANT to rate anything below a 4-6. there are some SHIT matchups in this game, and this delusion that there aren't many 7-3's in this game is either a lack of honesty (Which you get with tier lists) or just plain wrong.
This list mustn't be too far off the mark. Last one had like 100 comments by now. I think that there are some areas here and there where people will never agree, because it's opinion, but overall this is a super solid looking list (except for Sakura, which may be more due to lack of top players).
I agree with the data for Dictator with the exception of one match-up : Guile. Honestly, that match is 7-3, instead of 6-4. I agree that Chun and Honda are 6-4 against Dictator, and the Guile match-up is even worse. It's honestly one of the worst match-ups in the game, up there with Blanka/Balrog and Akuma/Zangief.
First of all Guy can't EX run through Booms unless it's point blank AND he anticpates the boom. His jump and bushin Flip are easily stopped on reach by c.FP by Guile Guile's pokes don't allow Guy to play footsies and Bushin flip elbows is even so all Guile has to do assuming some how Guy flipped in is throw and Guy is off him again. Guy's only poke that does anything in this match is s.MK but it's also beaten by a lot of moves. Most of the match is spent about 2 character spaces away with Guy trying to get Guile to make a mistake that a good Guile player wont make and then short Bushin Fliping or or EX-running to try to start pressure. Elbow must hit for there to be offense. All of this "Oh well d+mP stops flash kick" is BS. You know what it doesn't stop? Air throw and c. FP. Guile has time to throw a boom and c.FP you at point Blank if you try to regular jump and drop and elbow. That's why the match relies on getting Bushin flip elbow to hit and most of the time it doesn't. Guile will tech your throws and then you go bakck to square one fighting to get in. People also need to reliese when Guy absorbs projectiles during EX run his run speed slows. You litterally need to be on top of Guile when he throws the boom AND know it is coming which is much easier said than done. Plus if it's blocked lose a chunk of life.
Also please don't mention Hazantos as a way to go through sonic booms. Hazantos suck so much for going through fireballs and MP and FP Hazanto are both punishable on block.
It's not in Guy's favor unless someone gives me anything but a scurb exblination of how it isn't. Japanese tier list is right, it's about 6-4 in Guile's favor.
Also yeah this game is NOT balanced. Not even close. Only people with little fighting game experience think this game is balanced.
They placed Sakura worse than Dan but Sakura is a fortress she has moves and damaging combos I think she is higher if not C tier because she is reset machine more so than Abel but maybe next month she'll go up
@Zero
1) you dont want a perfectly balanced game. that would be boring
2) the sf4 series of games are more balanced than almost any other fighter out there. maybe tied with guilty gear. but this game has 35 characters, so the fact that peeps are talking about matchups being 5-5 when they should be 6-4 or whatever is really an accomplishment with so many characters.
@Stopey
As a blanka player Blanka/Rog matchup is about right. As long as the Rog player knows what he's doing, then Blanka shouldn't be able to do much damage. Balls are totally unsafe (cr. mp beats them out) so Blanka is totally reliant on poking in that matchup and 'Rog's pokes > Blanka's pokes.
I agree with people that the makers of this list need to call 7-3s like they see 'em. Let's be real. The top characters in this game mostly maul the low tiers. Alot of those 6s and 4s on the right should really be 7s and 3s. But people need to chill with the 8-2 stuff. Yea SSF4 isn't balanced. No good fighting game is balanced completely, not even Guilty Gear (have you seen Eddie, Slayer, and Testament in Accent Core? Tell me that Dizzy and I-no are even with them...yea so I thought). But there really aren't any 8-2s in this game.
@DABALLINHAMMAH
+1
I'd have to say the people who complain about sf4/ssf4's balance are the inexperienced ones. or at least the ones quick to forget their history...
@ Darry
Im sorry, but like i think 6-4 is pretty spot on. For Guile vs Dictator.. Giving it to Guile. I main Bison.. And Guile isnt as amazing as people say. Just gotta know what to do and when to do it.
@Subt-l
Honda vs Chun-li isnt an 8-2 in chun's favor.. You just need to say on her.. Be patient and she throws a fireball.. Just j.hp, s.mp, Handslap. Thats 20 - 25% of chun's health. Its maybe 6-4, but everyone knows honda is a beast. Especially since chun has girl lives. One of honda's head butts catches him up. 8-2 means that its heavily balanced in a character's favor.. Meaning a person has too be way better than the opponent. 8-2 was like sagat vs guile in vanilla.
I dont believe new players understand what 8-2 or 7-3 really mean.. In Super you dont find any 8-2 matches.. 8-2 means is AMAZINGLY hard to win the match. You have to know what your opponent is doing.. Have better footsies, pokes, priority.. When you do a move.. Your opponent can punish any special you perform. 8-2 means that your playing a scrub that just started playing a month ago and youre having so much problems. 7-3 is when its hard, but still winnable with work. 6-4.. The opponent has the advantage, but you can win by playing it right also.